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		<title>By: CJ</title>
		<link>http://www.soldiersperspective.us/2006/07/17/disproportionate-force/#comment-17603</link>
		<dc:creator>CJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melted1, that&#039;s a great opinion piece, but the arguments don&#039;t hold up.  

The fact of the matter is that WMDs DID exist, degraded or not.  Saddam assured the US and international community that all these munitions were destroyed and they were not.  They are still hazardous and could have been used against us or our &quot;indefensible allies&quot;, as the article puts it.  

The thing that bothers me is that people like Father Jonathan Morris and other liberal leaning folks want to distinguish between new and old WMDs.  A WMD is a WMD.  It very well is truth that Saddam didn&#039;t build anything new since 1991, but he hid what little he had left.  This is evidenced by the WMD inspectors&#039; reports of Saddam being difficult when the inspectors arrived at a location and reports of trucks leaving out the back while the inspectors were out front.  

When I see that &quot;WMDs Found In Iraq&quot; article, I see &quot;WMD found in Iraq&quot;.  That&#039;s the important part of every debate.  People trying to trash Bush and his administration ignore this and attempt to use the benign argument that &quot;well, but they&#039;re old.&quot;  That&#039;s not the point.  Iraq HAD WMD.  Period. Even if I said, Iraq had 1991-era WMD, he STILL HAD WMD!!  He could still kill and maim people with those weapons.  Why is that so hard to comprehend?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melted1, that&#039;s a great opinion piece, but the arguments don&#039;t hold up.  </p>
<p>The fact of the matter is that WMDs DID exist, degraded or not.  Saddam assured the US and international community that all these munitions were destroyed and they were not.  They are still hazardous and could have been used against us or our &#034;indefensible allies&#034;, as the article puts it.  </p>
<p>The thing that bothers me is that people like Father Jonathan Morris and other liberal leaning folks want to distinguish between new and old WMDs.  A WMD is a WMD.  It very well is truth that Saddam didn&#039;t build anything new since 1991, but he hid what little he had left.  This is evidenced by the WMD inspectors&#039; reports of Saddam being difficult when the inspectors arrived at a location and reports of trucks leaving out the back while the inspectors were out front.  </p>
<p>When I see that &#034;WMDs Found In Iraq&#034; article, I see &#034;WMD found in Iraq&#034;.  That&#039;s the important part of every debate.  People trying to trash Bush and his administration ignore this and attempt to use the benign argument that &#034;well, but they&#039;re old.&#034;  That&#039;s not the point.  Iraq HAD WMD.  Period. Even if I said, Iraq had 1991-era WMD, he STILL HAD WMD!!  He could still kill and maim people with those weapons.  Why is that so hard to comprehend?</p>
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		<title>By: Melted1</title>
		<link>http://www.soldiersperspective.us/2006/07/17/disproportionate-force/#comment-17595</link>
		<dc:creator>Melted1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know the topic has been resolved with â€śdisproportionate forceâ€?, but I am sick of the WMD argument and the idea that the media would be allover the story.  Please read the article below and keep it handy.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200601,00.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200601,00.html'>foxnews.com/s...0601,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fay</title>
		<link>http://www.soldiersperspective.us/2006/07/17/disproportionate-force/#comment-17508</link>
		<dc:creator>Fay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoy your Blog very much, some opinions I agree with others, not so much, but I am grateful to have the opportunity to see how others think and feel. I am a Canadian who spent 6 months in Afghanistan and 5 months at Abu Ghraib Base in Iraq. I made some very good friends American, Afghani, and Iraqi.

I just want to thank-you and all the other brave people Military and Civilian who like myself put their lifeâ€™s in jeopardy for others freedoms. I hate coming home and seeing the fight being waged in our own countries. My son is now thinking of joining the US Marines and i could not be prouder and I hate the thought of people attaching him verbally for what he believes.

I have one story to share, and please consider this is one, small inncedent that was probably never reported;

An Iraqi man stood in a hall in the Abu Ghraib prison and said, there were 3000 men crowded into this small corridor living in their own filth. Saddam Hussein was called and asked what do about the problem. Mr. Hussein dispatched his son to line the men up against the walls and shoot every 3rd man in the head.

It is irrelevant to the Iraqi people what the world thinks of Americaâ€™s politics for entering their country. All I know from the Iraqi people I have spoken with is that they feel hope for their future for the first time in years. THAT to me is whatâ€™s important!

Again, THANK-YOU!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoy your Blog very much, some opinions I agree with others, not so much, but I am grateful to have the opportunity to see how others think and feel. I am a Canadian who spent 6 months in Afghanistan and 5 months at Abu Ghraib Base in Iraq. I made some very good friends American, Afghani, and Iraqi.</p>
<p>I just want to thank-you and all the other brave people Military and Civilian who like myself put their lifeâ€™s in jeopardy for others freedoms. I hate coming home and seeing the fight being waged in our own countries. My son is now thinking of joining the US Marines and i could not be prouder and I hate the thought of people attaching him verbally for what he believes.</p>
<p>I have one story to share, and please consider this is one, small inncedent that was probably never reported;</p>
<p>An Iraqi man stood in a hall in the Abu Ghraib prison and said, there were 3000 men crowded into this small corridor living in their own filth. Saddam Hussein was called and asked what do about the problem. Mr. Hussein dispatched his son to line the men up against the walls and shoot every 3rd man in the head.</p>
<p>It is irrelevant to the Iraqi people what the world thinks of Americaâ€™s politics for entering their country. All I know from the Iraqi people I have spoken with is that they feel hope for their future for the first time in years. THAT to me is whatâ€™s important!</p>
<p>Again, THANK-YOU!</p>
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		<title>By: Wordsmith</title>
		<link>http://www.soldiersperspective.us/2006/07/17/disproportionate-force/#comment-17209</link>
		<dc:creator>Wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent analysis, and incorporated it into my own blogpost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent analysis, and incorporated it into my own blogpost.</p>
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		<title>By: sue</title>
		<link>http://www.soldiersperspective.us/2006/07/17/disproportionate-force/#comment-17143</link>
		<dc:creator>sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 01:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still agree Emily!!!  he he he</description>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
		<link>http://www.soldiersperspective.us/2006/07/17/disproportionate-force/#comment-17138</link>
		<dc:creator>CJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 01:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to reiterate that i AM the most beautiful person in the world.

emily</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to reiterate that i AM the most beautiful person in the world.</p>
<p>emily</p>
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		<title>By: MissBirdlegs in AL</title>
		<link>http://www.soldiersperspective.us/2006/07/17/disproportionate-force/#comment-17133</link>
		<dc:creator>MissBirdlegs in AL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 01:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hopeless, CJ &amp; Cpl M!  It&#039;s extremely hard to have a discussion with a brick wall (or a blue barn).

One point I wanted to make, tho... Did you ever think what the presence of the President of the US at the funeral of a Seviceman/woman would do, even if it were feasible?  It would detract attention from the honor due the deceased and his family.  Our President loves and honors our Military and their families.  Only a dunce would think otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s hopeless, CJ &amp; Cpl M!  It&#039;s extremely hard to have a discussion with a brick wall (or a blue barn).</p>
<p>One point I wanted to make, tho&#8230; Did you ever think what the presence of the President of the US at the funeral of a Seviceman/woman would do, even if it were feasible?  It would detract attention from the honor due the deceased and his family.  Our President loves and honors our Military and their families.  Only a dunce would think otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: The Blue Barn</title>
		<link>http://www.soldiersperspective.us/2006/07/17/disproportionate-force/#comment-17128</link>
		<dc:creator>The Blue Barn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you take a look at my first post it was about the subject at hand. The other commenters went off in the other direction. &lt;em&gt;[&lt;strong&gt;Cpl M corrects:&lt;/strong&gt; You did go off on Iraq in your first comment which then took the entire discussion off Israel and to Iraq.]&lt;/em&gt;

I was going to use Waco, but could not find any wikipedia entry for it.

Cj, the DOD has never confirmed, nor our government for that matter, that there have been WMD\&#039;s found. If there were WMD\&#039;s trust me everybody would be publishing it, but there not, you know why. It\&#039;s because there are no WMD\&#039;s. All those talking points you have stated were all from the 1980\&#039;s. They were stuff thaths been sitting out in the desert for years. Something our government hass confirmed though id the Iraq Survey Group, which did conclude that there were old sarin and mustard gas cartridges that were not usable.

And the Saddam killing people thing. That article was combining the amount of people Iraqis have died in the Iraq-Iran War. I was talking about the amount of people Saddam himself ordered to be killed.

Bush did not give Congress the same intelligence. He mislead them. The Bush Company, told them that Saddam was getting ready to attack the U.S. and America\\\\\\\&#039;s survial as a state was at stake, He lied and mislead, everybody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you take a look at my first post it was about the subject at hand. The other commenters went off in the other direction. <em>[<strong>Cpl M corrects:</strong> You did go off on Iraq in your first comment which then took the entire discussion off Israel and to Iraq.]</em></p>
<p>I was going to use Waco, but could not find any wikipedia entry for it.</p>
<p>Cj, the DOD has never confirmed, nor our government for that matter, that there have been WMD\&#039;s found. If there were WMD\&#039;s trust me everybody would be publishing it, but there not, you know why. It\&#039;s because there are no WMD\&#039;s. All those talking points you have stated were all from the 1980\&#039;s. They were stuff thaths been sitting out in the desert for years. Something our government hass confirmed though id the Iraq Survey Group, which did conclude that there were old sarin and mustard gas cartridges that were not usable.</p>
<p>And the Saddam killing people thing. That article was combining the amount of people Iraqis have died in the Iraq-Iran War. I was talking about the amount of people Saddam himself ordered to be killed.</p>
<p>Bush did not give Congress the same intelligence. He mislead them. The Bush Company, told them that Saddam was getting ready to attack the U.S. and America\\\\\\\&#039;s survial as a state was at stake, He lied and mislead, everybody.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
		<link>http://www.soldiersperspective.us/2006/07/17/disproportionate-force/#comment-17126</link>
		<dc:creator>CJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And to add to CPL M, I donâ€™t either. As a matter of fact, Iâ€™ve never talked about anything political that DIDNâ€™T involve the military or security in some way. Youâ€™ll never see anything about abortion, gay marriage (unless related to the military approving it), or any other politically charged debate.

Blue, I&#039;m going to give you the last word on this, then I&#039;m going to delete any future comments on either side on this post NOT related to the topic, which is &quot;disproportionate force&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to add to CPL M, I donâ€™t either. As a matter of fact, Iâ€™ve never talked about anything political that DIDNâ€™T involve the military or security in some way. Youâ€™ll never see anything about abortion, gay marriage (unless related to the military approving it), or any other politically charged debate.</p>
<p>Blue, I&#039;m going to give you the last word on this, then I&#039;m going to delete any future comments on either side on this post NOT related to the topic, which is &#034;disproportionate force&#034;.</p>
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		<title>By: Cpl M</title>
		<link>http://www.soldiersperspective.us/2006/07/17/disproportionate-force/#comment-17124</link>
		<dc:creator>Cpl M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blue,

I really don&#039;t approve of the topic hijacking that has taken place here, but I&#039;ll add my two cents since you&#039;ve not only charging CJ with using the blog for political gain, but all of us that post here.

Yes. I am a Republican. I am also a Marine. I try my damnedest to keep my politics and my military separate, but most of the time it is very hard, especially when discussing Iraq. This is a MilBlog meaning we discuss things related to the military. Since it seems the Democrats have a hard time understanding that we have a mission to accomplish, we tend to slam them. 

For the record, I do not post here to push any type of &quot;Republican worldview for political gain.&quot; I post here to talk about the military.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blue,</p>
<p>I really don&#039;t approve of the topic hijacking that has taken place here, but I&#039;ll add my two cents since you&#039;ve not only charging CJ with using the blog for political gain, but all of us that post here.</p>
<p>Yes. I am a Republican. I am also a Marine. I try my damnedest to keep my politics and my military separate, but most of the time it is very hard, especially when discussing Iraq. This is a MilBlog meaning we discuss things related to the military. Since it seems the Democrats have a hard time understanding that we have a mission to accomplish, we tend to slam them. </p>
<p>For the record, I do not post here to push any type of &#034;Republican worldview for political gain.&#034; I post here to talk about the military.</p>
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