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		<title>By: Hart Viges</title>
		<link>http://www.soldiersperspective.us/2008/03/19/winter-soldier-flops/#comment-45732</link>
		<dc:creator>Hart Viges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luke 6:46
 Why do you keep on saying that I am your Lord, when you refuse to do what I say?

 Luke 6:27
 This is what I say to all who will listen, love your enemies and be good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you and pray for those that abuse you.

 I am a Christian before anything else. To think that killing equates with love is a twisted thought that lands people in jail when they kill.

 My humanity is shared with all.

 Psalms 82:6
 For you are all children of the Most High

&quot;Hart, Jesus was not a Soldier. But, I do know that Jesus would have held it against you to kill a man trying to kill you.&quot;

 Luke 6:41
 Why do you see the speck in your brothers eye, but you do not notice the log in your own eye?

 Luke 6:37
 Judge not and you will not be judged, condemn not, and you will not be condemed.

 Seems like Jesus has proved you wrong. open your eyes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke 6:46<br />
 Why do you keep on saying that I am your Lord, when you refuse to do what I say?</p>
<p> Luke 6:27<br />
 This is what I say to all who will listen, love your enemies and be good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you and pray for those that abuse you.</p>
<p> I am a Christian before anything else. To think that killing equates with love is a twisted thought that lands people in jail when they kill.</p>
<p> My humanity is shared with all.</p>
<p> Psalms 82:6<br />
 For you are all children of the Most High</p>
<p>&#034;Hart, Jesus was not a Soldier. But, I do know that Jesus would have held it against you to kill a man trying to kill you.&#034;</p>
<p> Luke 6:41<br />
 Why do you see the speck in your brothers eye, but you do not notice the log in your own eye?</p>
<p> Luke 6:37<br />
 Judge not and you will not be judged, condemn not, and you will not be condemed.</p>
<p> Seems like Jesus has proved you wrong. open your eyes</p>
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		<title>By: vetarmywife2008</title>
		<link>http://www.soldiersperspective.us/2008/03/19/winter-soldier-flops/#comment-40588</link>
		<dc:creator>vetarmywife2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Going out on a limb here...not trying to justify Hart Vigis...perhaps psychologically he might be trying to get himself off because he feels guilty for killing someone...when he should be feeling guilty for not defending his brotherhood......just a thought.  If he truly left his brotherhood out in the open....I feel sorry for him.  Hart Vigis...killing is wrong...that is why we went to war.  For the people they killed in the twin towers and for the people in Iraq and for the people they will try to target if we pull out to soon....and our brave soldiers don&#039;t have an easy job, but they do it anyway and they kick butt and one day I hope you can bring yourself to thanks them for doing what you couldn&#039;t do...because next time the terrorist might be targeting you are your family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going out on a limb here&#8230;not trying to justify Hart Vigis&#8230;perhaps psychologically he might be trying to get himself off because he feels guilty for killing someone&#8230;when he should be feeling guilty for not defending his brotherhood&#8230;&#8230;just a thought.  If he truly left his brotherhood out in the open&#8230;.I feel sorry for him.  Hart Vigis&#8230;killing is wrong&#8230;that is why we went to war.  For the people they killed in the twin towers and for the people in Iraq and for the people they will try to target if we pull out to soon&#8230;.and our brave soldiers don&#039;t have an easy job, but they do it anyway and they kick butt and one day I hope you can bring yourself to thanks them for doing what you couldn&#039;t do&#8230;because next time the terrorist might be targeting you are your family.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
		<link>http://www.soldiersperspective.us/2008/03/19/winter-soldier-flops/#comment-40556</link>
		<dc:creator>CJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ArmySergeant,

Disappointed isn&#039;t the word.  Surprised.  Dumbfounded.  Relieved.  Astounded.  Especially considering the way they advertised the event.  WSII didn&#039;t exactly help the IVAW cause in my view.  It just showed how jaded some people can be without good reason.

I wasn&#039;t there, so I can only write about what others said outside of the video I watched.  Since you were so involved, perhaps you can tell me the true purpose behind WSII.  The testimony was accurate in that it gave veterans&#039; experiences, but why use the &quot;Winter Soldier&quot; moniker to describe it?  The original Winter Soldier was meant to indict Soldiers for &quot;war crimes&quot;.  WSII must have really let down your VVAW handlers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ArmySergeant,</p>
<p>Disappointed isn&#039;t the word.  Surprised.  Dumbfounded.  Relieved.  Astounded.  Especially considering the way they advertised the event.  WSII didn&#039;t exactly help the IVAW cause in my view.  It just showed how jaded some people can be without good reason.</p>
<p>I wasn&#039;t there, so I can only write about what others said outside of the video I watched.  Since you were so involved, perhaps you can tell me the true purpose behind WSII.  The testimony was accurate in that it gave veterans&#039; experiences, but why use the &#034;Winter Soldier&#034; moniker to describe it?  The original Winter Soldier was meant to indict Soldiers for &#034;war crimes&#034;.  WSII must have really let down your VVAW handlers.</p>
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		<title>By: ArmySergeant</title>
		<link>http://www.soldiersperspective.us/2008/03/19/winter-soldier-flops/#comment-40554</link>
		<dc:creator>ArmySergeant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CJ, it almost sounds like you&#039;re disappointed that everyone maintained their integrity and didn&#039;t lie. 

Also, please feel free to check with both Mr. Lilyea and TSO about whether IVAW went to great lengths to menace them. The security escort, while it may at times have grown large, was there at my request, given that the bloggers themselves raised concerns about their security and asked what the Winter Soldier response would be. My intention in providing them with a security team was to ensure that they would not feel threatened or harassed in any way-to provide for their peace of mind. 

I, and I alone, made the rules for the bloggers. There was never any threat of ejection if they published &#039;everything&#039;. The only request I made about their disclosure was not to publish individual details of the members of the audience, as we had active duty servicemembers who were not IVAW members in attendance, some of which did not agree idealogically but wished to attend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CJ, it almost sounds like you&#039;re disappointed that everyone maintained their integrity and didn&#039;t lie. </p>
<p>Also, please feel free to check with both Mr. Lilyea and TSO about whether IVAW went to great lengths to menace them. The security escort, while it may at times have grown large, was there at my request, given that the bloggers themselves raised concerns about their security and asked what the Winter Soldier response would be. My intention in providing them with a security team was to ensure that they would not feel threatened or harassed in any way-to provide for their peace of mind. </p>
<p>I, and I alone, made the rules for the bloggers. There was never any threat of ejection if they published &#039;everything&#039;. The only request I made about their disclosure was not to publish individual details of the members of the audience, as we had active duty servicemembers who were not IVAW members in attendance, some of which did not agree idealogically but wished to attend.</p>
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		<title>By: Haole Wahine</title>
		<link>http://www.soldiersperspective.us/2008/03/19/winter-soldier-flops/#comment-40547</link>
		<dc:creator>Haole Wahine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Viges,

Who was a man after God&#039;s own heart?

   I&#039;ll save you the concordance hunt --- 
DAVID, 
king David, 
warrior David, 
slayer of Goliath - David (had to use stones on that one),
captain of God&#039;s army - David.

Give us more DAVID&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Viges,</p>
<p>Who was a man after God&#039;s own heart?</p>
<p>   I&#039;ll save you the concordance hunt &#8212;<br />
DAVID,<br />
king David,<br />
warrior David,<br />
slayer of Goliath &#8211; David (had to use stones on that one),<br />
captain of God&#039;s army &#8211; David.</p>
<p>Give us more DAVID&#039;s.</p>
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		<title>By: sue</title>
		<link>http://www.soldiersperspective.us/2008/03/19/winter-soldier-flops/#comment-40529</link>
		<dc:creator>sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Viges reminds me of that character in Saving Private Ryan.  You know the sniveling cowardly typist who gets sent along as the interpreter and gets them to let the German go who ends up wiping out several of them while he cowers on the stair case not helping or getting the ammo to them that they need and he has around his neck??  Through that whole movie I kept wishing someone would just bayonet that guy and I can&#039;t help but feel the same way here. 

And I think if Mr Viges has gotten religion, that he really needs to go back and re-read the Bible and check out the parts where God destroys his enemies.  I&#039;m thinking the story of Sodom and Gomorrah for one.  The Bible is replete with stories of destroying enemies.  I don&#039;t know for sure but I don&#039;t remember reading the Soldiers chasing Moses and his people getting thrown life preservers when the waters came together again!  

Mr Viges sounds more like a convenient Christian than anything else.  What would Jesus do Mr Viges?  Probably forgive you.  What would God do??  That&#039;s an entirely different question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Viges reminds me of that character in Saving Private Ryan.  You know the sniveling cowardly typist who gets sent along as the interpreter and gets them to let the German go who ends up wiping out several of them while he cowers on the stair case not helping or getting the ammo to them that they need and he has around his neck??  Through that whole movie I kept wishing someone would just bayonet that guy and I can&#039;t help but feel the same way here. </p>
<p>And I think if Mr Viges has gotten religion, that he really needs to go back and re-read the Bible and check out the parts where God destroys his enemies.  I&#039;m thinking the story of Sodom and Gomorrah for one.  The Bible is replete with stories of destroying enemies.  I don&#039;t know for sure but I don&#039;t remember reading the Soldiers chasing Moses and his people getting thrown life preservers when the waters came together again!  </p>
<p>Mr Viges sounds more like a convenient Christian than anything else.  What would Jesus do Mr Viges?  Probably forgive you.  What would God do??  That&#039;s an entirely different question.</p>
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		<title>By: SSgtJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>SSgtJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CJ, this sounds like the person who claimed to be a former Marine Gunner in Vietnam.  He apparently told his left wing wife that he was &#039;ordered&#039; to shoot up a target in Vietnam that may have held civilians.  (That confession is probably why she married him)  She says that he refused the order, and told the chopper pilot that he did not &#039;see a target&#039;.  I know, that whenever WE called in air support, we were taking heat pretty bad.  If this incident happened at all, I suspect we lost a few more Marines that day because someone didn&#039;t give them the cover they needed.  This &#039;gunner&#039; is probably guilty of murder (of the marines who ordered the air support) or guilty of failing to report a war crime (if no air support was requested).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CJ, this sounds like the person who claimed to be a former Marine Gunner in Vietnam.  He apparently told his left wing wife that he was &#039;ordered&#039; to shoot up a target in Vietnam that may have held civilians.  (That confession is probably why she married him)  She says that he refused the order, and told the chopper pilot that he did not &#039;see a target&#039;.  I know, that whenever WE called in air support, we were taking heat pretty bad.  If this incident happened at all, I suspect we lost a few more Marines that day because someone didn&#039;t give them the cover they needed.  This &#039;gunner&#039; is probably guilty of murder (of the marines who ordered the air support) or guilty of failing to report a war crime (if no air support was requested).</p>
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		<title>By: SSgtJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>SSgtJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel sorry for Hart Viges.  Sounds like someone who should never have been allowed to enlist in the first place.  Says he enlisted in 2001, were our standards too low then? 

That said, I submit that Hart Viges should be charged with treason.  

Besides the American lives he probably cost look at the Iraqie lives he cost  when he let the enemy get away.  According to his own accounts of what was going on in Iraq at the time, his very act of letting the man with the RPG get away, caused the death of more civilians! Certainly that terrorist would have holed up in a civilian school or church or home and fired at our troops later.  Then we would return fire.  The ensuing fight probably killed a number of civilians.  Those families can thank Hart Viges for his cowardice in the face of the enemy.

Sorry this happend to you Hart Viges.  But don&#039;t smear the rest of us to try to justify your pain and guilt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel sorry for Hart Viges.  Sounds like someone who should never have been allowed to enlist in the first place.  Says he enlisted in 2001, were our standards too low then? </p>
<p>That said, I submit that Hart Viges should be charged with treason.  </p>
<p>Besides the American lives he probably cost look at the Iraqie lives he cost  when he let the enemy get away.  According to his own accounts of what was going on in Iraq at the time, his very act of letting the man with the RPG get away, caused the death of more civilians! Certainly that terrorist would have holed up in a civilian school or church or home and fired at our troops later.  Then we would return fire.  The ensuing fight probably killed a number of civilians.  Those families can thank Hart Viges for his cowardice in the face of the enemy.</p>
<p>Sorry this happend to you Hart Viges.  But don&#039;t smear the rest of us to try to justify your pain and guilt.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
		<link>http://www.soldiersperspective.us/2008/03/19/winter-soldier-flops/#comment-40504</link>
		<dc:creator>CJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ladies and gentlemen, the coward Hart Viges.  I hope it didn&#039;t take you as long to type that as it would have taken you to say it into a microphone at WSII.  

Hart, Jesus was not a Soldier.  But, I do know that Jesus would have held it against you to kill a man trying to kill you.  What does &quot;love your enemy&quot; mean to me?  It means forgiving the people that tried to kill me but gave up instead.  It means putting them out of their misery by shooting to kill, not shooting to maim or injure.  Loving my enemy means saying a prayer for his soul as I send it to hell.  I love my enemy when I do everything in my power to convince him we don&#039;t WANT to kill him, but we will if we have to.  Loving my enemy means that I won&#039;t take out my anger on their family if I am forced to kill them.  Loving my enemy means I will not desecrate the body I just put a bullet through.  Loving my enemy means that I will treat their wounds if my aim is not true and they live through my assault.  I will do everything in my power once they are demobilized to see that they get the care they need.  Loving my enemy means respecting their women and children by not subjecting them to embarrassment by dragging their dead husbands body through the streets or plastering their bloodied image across television screens across the globe.

Any more brilliant questions?  I&#039;ve got one.  What does it mean to love your fellow Soldiers?  Simple.  Kill the guy that wants to kill them, especially when you have your &quot;sights on their chest.&quot;  You don&#039;t let them go to live another day to kill.  I hope this thought eats away at your mind until the day you die!  What would Jesus do?  He would forgive you as well because he&#039;s perfect.  One day, I can only hope to be just like him.  Until then, I&#039;m an imperfect man and I find you dispicable.  I can only continue to pray for the softness of heart to forgive you for adding to the American body count.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ladies and gentlemen, the coward Hart Viges.  I hope it didn&#039;t take you as long to type that as it would have taken you to say it into a microphone at WSII.  </p>
<p>Hart, Jesus was not a Soldier.  But, I do know that Jesus would have held it against you to kill a man trying to kill you.  What does &#034;love your enemy&#034; mean to me?  It means forgiving the people that tried to kill me but gave up instead.  It means putting them out of their misery by shooting to kill, not shooting to maim or injure.  Loving my enemy means saying a prayer for his soul as I send it to hell.  I love my enemy when I do everything in my power to convince him we don&#039;t WANT to kill him, but we will if we have to.  Loving my enemy means that I won&#039;t take out my anger on their family if I am forced to kill them.  Loving my enemy means I will not desecrate the body I just put a bullet through.  Loving my enemy means that I will treat their wounds if my aim is not true and they live through my assault.  I will do everything in my power once they are demobilized to see that they get the care they need.  Loving my enemy means respecting their women and children by not subjecting them to embarrassment by dragging their dead husbands body through the streets or plastering their bloodied image across television screens across the globe.</p>
<p>Any more brilliant questions?  I&#039;ve got one.  What does it mean to love your fellow Soldiers?  Simple.  Kill the guy that wants to kill them, especially when you have your &#034;sights on their chest.&#034;  You don&#039;t let them go to live another day to kill.  I hope this thought eats away at your mind until the day you die!  What would Jesus do?  He would forgive you as well because he&#039;s perfect.  One day, I can only hope to be just like him.  Until then, I&#039;m an imperfect man and I find you dispicable.  I can only continue to pray for the softness of heart to forgive you for adding to the American body count.</p>
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		<title>By: Hart Viges</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hart Viges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would Jesus Do? What would love do? What does Love your Enemy mean to you?</description>
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