Fugacious Reasoning
April 18th, 2008 by Admin
I'm getting a little worried about the fugacious intelligence of those on the extreme left (not you, David) who have nothing better to do with their time than bash Bush. As you know, I'm not typically one to disallow comments unless there's an egregious lapse in reasoning or profane language. Posting Medal of Honor recipient, Marine Corporal Jason Dunham's memorial by LTG Caldwell is NOT the place for such Bush-bashing nonsense. I won't allow that crap on his post, but I'll tell you here what the moron tried to post.
"Morton" said:
Please do not forget to mention President George W Bush's role in this man's death.
" bring em on" says Mr Bush…..
Ole.."Blood and Guts" Bush…. his guts, someone elses blood.
Time to look at yourself Mr CJ Grisham, time to really look hard at yourself
My response:
I took a long hard look and I like what I see. So does my wife (I just added this part!). I REALLY like what I see. I also took a long hard look at approving this comment, but I won't let you bastardize this man's memory with Bush bashing. Find another place for your pathetic rants.
It's not the military's role to guard the Pope either, but it's something we do. I wouldn't bash the Pope or the President if a Soldier died in the line of duty protecting a man, any man, we were trying to protect. Mr. Morton is obviously a salty old man (pun intended) who probably has a very sad life. He's probably one of these people who got a mortgage he couldn't afford and now wants ME and YOU to bail him out and pay his bills. He could also be the "16-year old girl" who made the anonymous call about the polygamists in Texas.
The so-called "Bush Derangement Syndrome" is real. People cannot see past the warts on their noses because Mr. Environment lost in a fair, historically consistent election in 2000. They've been bitter ever since. And guess what? These same people are going to have "McCain Derangement Syndrome" when McCain gets elected because all the Democratic candidates want to do is tear each other apart. They're so deranged that whichever side loses the primary, the majority of the losing side will vote McCain out of desperation and revenge. Smart.
I say this because this is the response I got to my email. I told Morton he was free to post his rants anywhere else but he was NOT going to disrespect CPL Dunham in my house. He chose not to use that offer, but made himself look like more of an ass instead:
Thanks 4 the reply'
Jason, gambled with his life and lost, he followed the flag over a cliff for the illusions of 'Baby Bush'. The reality is he did not sacrifice his life for his country, he was just another casuality of the lies and illusions of the Bush Regime. The German soldiers died for Hitler's lies, our soldiers are dying for Bush's lies and pathetic illusions…..it is right ther in the history books,Pal.
After you get your 'hero glasses' off and wake up to the reality of your mental conditioning at the hands of the US government, you might gain perspective.
War is not a game , we cannot win, will not win……we do not deserve to win. BUT there will be winners in this war…..follow the money and you will find the real enemy, right there in Washington District of Corruption.
YOU are being used…YOU are attempting to prolong this quagmire using you 'hero credentials', YOU are being manipulated….again ..follow the money. Osama , George Bush and yourself all want this war, you are in bad company. Lotsa Luck
The only people "prolonging this quagmire" are the people who are continuously undermining our efforts to return peace and stability to the nation of Iraq. Let's go with the assumption that Iraq is a quagmire. Let's also use the assumption that we never should have gone in there in the first place (an assumption I disagree with). We are there now! Right or wrong, we destroyed a nation removing a ruthless tyrant who has killed MILLIONS of people inside and outside of his own country. MILLIONS!!
In an effort to bring back peace and stability to a nation we destroyed, CPL Dunham paid the ultimate sacrifice protecting the very people trying to protect millions of others. Think about that – it's honorable to die protecting the helpless. It's more honorable dying to protect the people who protect the helpless.
Morton is dead wrong to think I want this war. Quite the opposite. I don't want THIS war. I wanted the war against Iraq. They are two very different things. We are not at war anymore. We've defeated the enemy against whom we went to war.
There is a HUGE difference between the soldiers of Hitler and the Soldiers of Bush. The Soldiers of Hitler were forced into service. When they didn't fight, they were killed or tortured. The Soldiers of Hitler were brainwashed from childhood. If you weren't a Soldier of Hitler, you were NOTHING. The "Soldiers of Bush" are NOTHING like that. We volunteer to serve. Maybe Morton Salt could stand to look right "ther" in his history books himself.
More to follow since I've got to get to work, but I'm interested in your opinion thus far.
Posted in Military Perspective
This Morton guy is even going to the extend of saying that Cpl. Dunham was not a hero. Even the liberals (the regulars) here don't go to that extend. But this guy is just mis-guided, maybe he can be saved… hopefully soon.
"There are 2 kinds of people who do wrong. Those who do it out of fear and ignorance, these men can be saved. The others, do it because they think it is right, these must be killed before they harm others."–Al Mualim (Assassins Creed video game).
Ah, yes, the sewer that is the internet. Where nothing is sacred. Maybe that's why I like it so much. I always allow comments to fly, simply because it's a good way to highlight the poor and tasteless rhetoric of the opposition.
CJ, you have every right and duty to delete that comment from the post. But can I ask why you engaged him in conversation? Do you TRULY think you will change Morton's mind? Are you baiting him in his total stupidity for your amusement (which I've done with my trolls before, so I'm not knocking it, just asking)? Are you trying to expose the Left Wing Lunacy as evidenced by his words? I guess my questions boil down to one thought….why waste your time on this guy?
LL, the answer is "yes". hehe.
Well done CJ. This has been a fun read. Thanks for putting the salty one in their place.
Thanks, CJ
. Us sane Liberals won't desuade someone's memory for the want of a Bush cut. The good corporal died doing his job, with honor, dignity and distinction.
David
I will keep my 'hero glasses' thank you very much. Morton better hope people don't start wearing 'moron' glasses.
Morton,
He removed your comment from that other area because you were mocking a man who was willing to give his life up so others such as you know… YOURSELF can live. If the US had not been in Vietnam, my country would be under COMMUNIST RULE (check your map). The troops won in Vietnam, but Congress pulled them out. If Bin Liner loves this war so much how come he has to resort to using mentally disabled women and children to do his dirty work? If you love him a so huggy-muggy much why not join him?
P.S. "Heroes" is spelt this way, not "heros"
It ceases to amaze me at some of the things people say especially about our president, the war and the military.
I was thinking the same thing CJ, when John McCain wins the presidency, they will do the same thing to him that they've done to President Bush, denegrate his name until he leaves office. I can hear the rumblings now.
I'm so glad that you banned Morton from speaking ill of our military heroes. Yes, they indeed are heroes, Morton!
Morton,
I've seen controversial stuff here (and even posted some myself), and it doesn't get deleted out of fear. Mainly as CJ saves the author from embarrassing himself is when it gets deleted.
As for knowing a losing situation, you are correct. The only difference is that the US forces took a losing situation and turned it around when it did appear the the enemy had time and turf on his side. The situation I'm speaking of was in Nazi Germany sixty years ago… and we've been doing it ever since.
Good traditions don't die, they only get better.
David
Gotta disagree with the McCain Derangement Syndrome thing. So long as it is not Bush in office, I think we will be fine. Bush needs to just go … far away … the Hague would be a great start. The damage that man and his team of criminal advisers have wrought on this nation and the world has just been too much. Indeed, few true Republicans, in hindsight, would prefer Bush to Gore were we able to do it all over again.
The troops are an awesome bunch!
Morton, , as CJ said when he began this post, he rarely moderates comments on this blog. However, I have to wholeheartedly agree with what he did and I would do the same over at ASM. When you stoop so low, as to bastardize a post in honor of a HERO (something you'll probably never be), then you've went too far and your comment will be removed. Around here, if you show respect, you're given respect. Your arguments are not likely to change any minds here, about what we believe.
Oh yes, I forgot to add, CF and David are good people, it is just that we disagree with their views, Morton just plain hates the troops. I remember when I called David and CF "liberal stalkers", they remained nice. Hmm… I wonder how Morton would have acted?
I like David and CF and rarely agree with them. Yes, CF has gotten under my skin a few times, but I'd take a bullet for his ability to do so. Morton – not so much.
Morton says; "What are you guys afraid of? You can delete what others say, but you are doing it out of fear."
Actually, I think it is quiet rational to fear ignorance at it's ugliest, and you have been one of many to bring such.
Morton says; "Left wing…not a chance pal. But I know a loser situation when I see one. They have all the advantages…time and turf is on their side."
Yeah, that's why you can run your mouth at CJ with such nonsense. You know he helps protect this country and that he can't pick who to protect and not. That means he can't turn down jerks like you in your time of need, no matter how vile and vitriolic your treatment of him is. Given that you can abuse your right to "Free Speech" to stifle debate with your dissenters, I think that you're the one with the advantage, Morton.
Morton says; "Osama loves this war, he knows the damage we are causing to ourselves and the Iraqis."
No, he's on the losing end so I doubt he likes any of the wars he has with us. I think you should read the West Point CTC report about the cracks in the leadership of Al Qaeda that have been wrought upon them through the United States' military action against them. Then there is the fact that Osama has alienated most of the Middle East which has had a significant effect on his recruitment capabilities.
The Human Security report is a great piece of evidence to prove that Osama has lost recruits as well as supporters. In part three of the report titled "Changing Face of War" which talks a lot about terror in the Middle East and North Africa, it shows that there is a correlation between; Assistance from western nations both in the security and humanitarian aspect, growing public awareness of terrorism's consequences, public desire to make or keep their nation together as one as well as sovereign(since terror cells start civil wars, then terrorism is a major obstacle standing in the way of this), and a better educated youth.
Which have all contributed to a decline in participation in terror activity. In fact, according to the first report I had mentioned(West Point CTC report), Osama's inner circle is abandoning him, not just the Muslim society as shown in the second report I had mentioned(Human Security Report 2005).
Overall, I don't think I need to do any more debunking from here. This is more than enough to prove that your comment is just laced with ignorance. Anyway, I honestly wish you peace and the best, Morton.
I think what it boils down to is that Mr Morton just never learned manners. There is a time and a place for everything, which CJ has just proved here. But when people like Mr Morton come to a post that honors a Fallen hero and trash talks on that post, he should be deleted. It is neither the time nor the place for such filth. It has NOTHING to do with fear, and EVERYTHING to do with respect and manners.
Jason Dunham deserves to be honored and respected, his story is a remarkable one and we are all better people some how for him having been on the Earth as he was. I know that his family doesn't feel that his life was wasted. It is a tragic loss but the Dunhams believed in Jason and what he wanted to do.
Mr Morton is just another of the gray matter challenged who feed on the likes of Bill Mahr and his hate spewing ilk. Mr Morton answer me this if you would be so kind, if Osama likes this war so much, how come he is hiding in a cave and no one has seen him in 5 years? I hardly think that life as a mole would make any one happy as you suggest.
Opps, I don't recall being called a Liberal Stalker, but whatever. Regardless of everone's political bent, CJ manages to keep us all on an even keel. I really don't have time for useless rhetoric, on either side. It doesn't solve anything and I don't learn anything by it.
On the positive side, by Tuesday, I'll have five books stores in lower Manhatten reading the blurb on Micheal Yon's book. The PDF is on his website. I challenge everyone to do the same.
David
Liberal Guantlet Thrower
20th Engineer's Bridge Builder
David
"Left wing%u2026not a chance pal. But I know a loser situation when I see one. They have all the advantages%u2026time and turf is on their side."
CJ, why is there two %u2026's on my post. I didn't type those. All I did was post Morton's comment by copy and pasting before replying to them. Anyway, can you remove them, they're kind of distracting.
Not sure why it did that. I fixed it for ya though.
Good for you, CJ! After all, this is your place and you are still free to run your site the way you want. I have found those who are so narrow-minded and disrespectful of others whine the most when they feel their rights have "abused".
I dislike whining.
Actually Morton, nobody has ever called himself or herself a hero on this blog. I think that's the only basis for your stupid responses on this blog's threads. After all, there is no better way to stifle the debate of the dissent by trying to make it seem as though they were being arrogant. Despite the fact that your percieved arrogance simply doesn't exist, and is just merely a figment of your imagination(and stupidity).
Again, you post another comment that is just oozing of ignorance. First off, the United States is not seeking control of oil fields or revenues in Iraq. It doesn't take a genius to simply go online to judicial watch's website to see who owns the oil fields in Iraq and ultimately the revenues. They have maps as well as a list of countries who own the contracts to the oil fields in Iraq. It just makes me sick that you don't have the balls to go do the research yourself before making an asinine comment. Then again, I understand, you must have an intense fear of finding out that you're wrong. Which you are!
In the event you become sane and decide that the lies you subscribe to, which ultimately own you as well, are not worth looking like a idiot for, then you'll see when you actually search Judicial Watch's oil maps and list of contract holders that not one of the oil fields in Iraq are under any; contract, or ownership by any U.S. business firm. In fact, all of them belong to the countries that oppose our presence there. Isn't that just paradoxically strange? The people who keep saying that we are in Iraq for oil as a means to justify their stance against us, are actually the ones who own Iraq's oil fields as well as want us out. Who can blame them though?
Since, if we were to leave Iraq, the increase of violence that would add to the already tragic sectarian war in that country would help boost another increase to the price of oil. Thus, increasing the profit of those countries who "DO" own the contracts to Iraq's oil fields. So much for the "were stealing Iraq's oil" mantra. That fallacy can finally take it's place with all the other disproven myths that anti-military Americans(conservatative and liberal) buy into, as one of the stupidest arguments to ever take place in a political debate.
Anyway, here is the web URL to the lists with foreign suitors who have ownership of oil reserves in Iraq that I have been talking about.
judicialwatch...l-field-maps
Ryan,
You raise some very interesting points and I intend on reading up on judicialwatch. I still can't get far away from the fact that there was a strategic oil related reason for our involvement in Iraq. No, I don't think it was a pure you-grab-the-oil-and-I'll-grab-the-gas routine. The case has been made that Halliburton was pumping it after the bombing stopped, but let's face it. Not too many companies have the ability to go in and resurrect a burning oil well. It as all others, to my understanding, have been turned back over to the Iraqi Oil Ministry. During the first Gulf War, the Saudi's paid to have our ships filled up at their ports. Now, they happily supply the fuel at market rate. I'll also mention an interview with Conde Rice while she was National Security Advisor. When asked her biggest thing she learned on assuming her role was how much oil controlled politics. It's been documented that over 200,000 people died in Central Africa due to ethnic cleansing from 2001 to 2003. No mention because it didn't affect our oil supply.
Just my two cents…
David
Morton said; "Like it or not, he is laughing as this war bleeds the foolish US government at $350 million a day."
Like it or not, that amount ultimately leads to less than one percent of our G.D.P.(Gross Domestc Product)/Purchasing Power Parity.
At the same time, Osama didn't seem like he was laughing when we intercepted those letters that were circulating throughout his inner circle and his operatives on the ground. He seemed pretty pissed. They all said that the Jihad in Iraq has been a failure.
Which is funny, because that's the opposite of what our government is telling us. So much for your stupid "you actually believe what your government says" comment.
David,
I am not denying that oil is an important political factor, it is. However, I just disagree with the way people use this fact as a means to attempt at scoring political one upsmanship.
As for the case of Halliburton pumping oil in Iraq, I haven't heard that one before. I will look more into that. I was told that none of Iraq's oil reserves have been tapped into, yet. However, I do not see Halliburton being the ones doing the tapping when the first barrels get pumped. As they have left their operations in Iraq. Although Black Water and Kellog Brown and Root are still there, but they are only subsidiaries of Halliburton. They are not a part of the company, they are independent and I am sure they hold their own stock as proof of their seperation from Halliburton.
However, I do see China, India, and Russia tapping into Iraq's oil reserves first before everyone else. After all, they are the ones with the highest increase in oil consumption in the world today(I am not saying this is a bad thing), and are owners of Iraq's oil reserve contracts. Some of their contracts with Persian Gulf countries are already going to work, as some the oil they consume is being pumped off the coast of Iraq.
However, I am not too sure if Iraq is the owner of that oil rig. It may belong to another Persian Gulf country. It may belong to Azerbaijan, unless they don't export oil, or it could belong to Bahrain. Maybe Kuwait or Iran. If you know anything on this, tell me.
I agree, it shouldn't be a political football of any sort. Just a cheap shot. I'm not versed enough to comment on the other events you mention, but will read more on the subject. I don't think Black Water is a subsidiary, independant or otherwise of Haliburton. From what I understand, its a privately owned outfit that must do a great job in the government contract business.
Anyway, thanks for the commentary.
David
Let me send a great big 'at-a-boy' to David and Ryan. These two actually seemed to be having an adult conversation. Gosh, someone might actually learn something, if we all did that!