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Admin Clark Vs. McCain

June 30th, 2008 by Admin

Former General Wesley Clark (I just threw up in my mouth again) has the gall to attack Senator McCain's military service. So, I'm going to compare this man who obviously thinks he is God's gift to the kind of military service supposedly IS good enough for the Oval Office.

This from a man who "earned" a Bronze star from his work as a staff officer. He was awarded a Silver Star for getting shot and "directing his men on a counter-assault." Note: Clark did NOT get a Silver Star for picking up his weapon and killing the enemy; he got his Silver Star for telling OTHER Soldiers to kill the enemy. Oh, and he remained with his unit until help arrived. Good for him for not running away after being shot four times. He was only in Vietnam for seven months before being evacuated and never returning.

Senator John McCain was awarded the Silver Star for being brutally tortured and held as a POW for five and a half years. He didn't order troops to be POWs, he was one himself. He was crippled from serious injuries as a result of his torture, yet he declined offers to leave the camp early in favor of having more junior Soldiers and those that had been there long leave instead. That is bravery and honor!!

"He hasn't been there and ordered the bombs to fall," Clark told CBS television. Really? Which is easier to do? Ordering "bombs to fall" or being the guy that has to drop them? Sounds like in the "hero" category, Clark sort of falls short.

He earned his Bronze Star the day before he was shot down, for participating in a mission over an airfield in Phuc Yen, 11 miles north of Hanoi. The citations refer to his "accurate ordnance delivery" and his "aggressive and skillful airmanship."

Clark also said, "“I don’t think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be President.” So what kind of President would Clark make? We may have found out in 2004, but thankfully, we didn't. For one thing, the Posse Comitatus Act would be out the window. After all, Clark was heavily involved in the illegal Waco siege that killed numerous innocent religious fanatics while he was commander of the 1st Cavalry Division at Fort Hood. Again, sending in OTHER people to kill instead of doing so himself.

Then, Clark says that McCain isn't fit to be President because he "hasn't held executive responsibility." Well, pardon him, Mr. Clark, for being unable to excel beyond a Navy Captain (O-6) due to his captivity for over five years. I think his ability to handle the most stressful of situations more than justifies his desire to lead this country.

There's another interesting note about this whole thing. I've mentioned the supposedly bipartisan group VoteVets.org many times here. Once again they prove that they are a Democratic hack group bend on trashing Republicans and promoting a Democratic agenda. In a recent email sent to members, VoteVets encourages its members to "get General Clark's back." For what? Baseless accusations against an American war hero?

Yesterday, on Face the Nation, General Wesley Clark spoke honestly and bluntly about what it takes to be Commander in Chief. In doing so, while he said Senator John McCain’s service made him a hero to millions, including Clark himself, that experience does not trump the poor judgment that Senator McCain has shown on some of the most important issues in recent years.

What General Clark said was right, but the right-wing has been in an uproar. And even CNN accused Clark of "swift-boating" McCain. We need to fight back.

We all honor Senator McCain's service, as General Clark said. But that does not mean that on matters of security, the military, and veterans issues that Senator McCain is beyond reproach.

So, does Obama have better credentials to lead in this arena? If we're talking about security, the military, and veterans issues, who is more positioned to handle them: a veteran or an elitist with no military experience? Jon Soltz (VoteVets Chairman) is an idiot! You know what the difference between Obama and Clark is? At least Obama has the decency to distance himself from such slanderous words.

In its direct response to General Clark's comments, Vets For Freedom took a much different – and more appropriate – stance by speaking about facts and reality and not political rhetoric:

Dear General Clark,

Yesterday you appeared on CBS “Face the Nation” and made strong statements regarding Senator John McCain and his military service. Amongst other things, you claimed Sen. McCain “hasn’t held executive responsibility” and you criticized him because he didn’t command a “wartime [Navy] Squadron.”

You then claimed, in reference to war, that Sen. McCain “hasn’t been there and ordered the bombs to fall” and concluded your political hatchet job with “I don’t think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be President.” Even the show’s host, Bob Schieffer, let out a puzzled “really?” at the conclusion of your assertions.

Frankly General, you should know better. As a previous Commander of U.S. troops in harm’s way, you should take serious pause in disparaging the service record of a fellow decorated veteran. Even worse, your arrogant and careless words undercut the credibility of all those who served and continue to serve, in wartime and peacetime.

First of all, Sen. McCain’s service record is clear. After volunteering for a combat assignment in Vietnam, Sen. McCain was shot down during his twenty-third bombing mission over North Vietnam and spent 5 ½ years as a Prisoner of War, enduring physical torture and repeatedly turning down preferential treatment and early release. For his service, he received seventeen decorations, including the Silver Star and Legion of Merit.

Most Americans would have ended their military career there, but Sen. McCain continued his service and eventually become the commanding officer of the largest squadron in the U.S. Navy. He turned an undisciplined and untrained squadron into one of the Navy’s best, earning the unit a Meritorious Unit Commendation.

Since this is about who is the greater military man, let's compare chest candy. First, we have General Wesley Clark:
Wesley Clark Awards

From top to bottom, left to right: Defense Distinguished Service Medal (basically for serving as a General Officer within the DoD – they all get these when they change assignments), Army Distinguished Service Medal (same deal, but for serving in General Officer positions within the Army. These are PCS awards.), Silver Star (for "heroism"), Legion of Merit (these are generally given out to senior Field Grade and junior General Officers when they PCS), Bronze Star (for serving as a staff officer), Purple Heart
.

Now, let's look at John McCain:
John McCain awards

Silver Star Medal (for heroism), Legion of Merit (same deal as above), Distinguished Flying Cross (for heroism), Bronze Star Medal (for heroism), Purple Heart Medal, Meritorious Service Medal (a PCS award generally awarded to Field Grade Officers and senior Company Grade Officers), Air Medal (for heroism), Navy Commendation Medal (for refusing early release by the Vietnamese), Combat Action Ribbon (for serving in combat), Prisoner of War Medal
.

Okay, now that Clark knows what it feels like to be attacked for his service, let me clear the air a little and some REAL perspective in here. Clark was dead wrong. DEAD wrong. You see, Clark's service – though I mocked it here – was pretty admirable (baring the Waco debacle). He was an esteemed General and accomplished a lot as an officer and a Soldier. His awards are impressive and deserve recognition and respect. Clark is a veteran entitled to the respect and honor given to all veterans, especially our Vietnam Veterans. I've never been a big fan of Clark, but only because of his political views. I cringed when I had to stand next to him at the release party for the "This Is Our War" book party in which some of my war photos were featured. But, as a Soldier I admire all that he's accomplished.

He should do the same for McCain and attack him on his positions, not his MUCH MORE HONORABLE and ADMIRABLE military service!!

Senator McCain “hasn’t held executive responsibility.”
FACT: McCain commanded, and revitalized, the largest squadron in the U.S. Navy.

Senator McCain’s military leadership doesn’t count, because it wasn’t a “wartime Squadron.”
FACT: McCain volunteered to serve in Vietnam and upon his return, endured months of physical rehabilitation in order to continue his military career and command a squadron.

Senator McCain “hasn’t been there [war] and ordered the bombs to fall”
FACT: McCain flew twenty-three combat missions in Vietnam in order to drop bombs on the enemy. He was also “there” for 5 ½ years as a Prisoner of War.

“I don’t think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be President.”
FACT: If serving your country, volunteering for combat, resisting the enemy, and receiving seventeen decorations for service doesn't count for anything, then why are you on television, speaking as an “expert” on national security matters? Your personal attacks came not from a General with respect for the uniform, but from a political operative dispatched to attack the military background of a political adversary.

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19 Responses to “Clark Vs. McCain”

  1. NY-David says:

    I was surprised at Gen Clark's remarks. I have friends who served on his staff and describe him as a straight-up guy who was smart and ran a good organization. I think he took a swipe and went over the line.
    I've long since held that McCain's war record doesn't make him a shoo-in for president. This said, there was much you could have hacked about his policies/politics, whatever. His war/military record isn't approachable. Obama handled it with typical class of denoucing it immediately and restating his committment to not allowing anyone slighting anyone else's patriotism.
    It was a badly calculated move by a guy I had a lot of regard for.
    NY-David

  2. Steve says:

    Why doesn't McCain release his complete military records? That would put any controversy surrounding his service to rest. Kerry released his records.

  3. Donna says:

    Thanks CJ, that was a very good post. General Clark should never have said that about Senator McCain or attacked his service to our country! That was just abhorant the way he tried to discredit John McCain. I used to listen to him on tv when he would give his military advise etc. but no more.

  4. CJ says:

    Steve, good question. I guess when Obama releases his military service records, I'd care more that McCain did the same! Do you doubt his military service?

  5. Critical Facts says:

    Clark is right on! Being held hostage against one's will does not make a pres, and McStain needs to stop suggesting otherwise.

    PS. CJ, Where were you when the SBVT came out against Kerry with lies and misinformation???

  6. Steve says:

    Military service is not a prerequisite to run for office in America. I don't doubt McCain's service, he was in the Navy. I do have questions though. He lost 5 aircraft! Some under questionable circumstances. He finished near the bottom of his class yet managed to get into the aviation program. His career was more due to nepotism than merit.

    When I was in ROTC one of my classmates was the son of a General. He prefaced nearly every question with, "Well, my father, the General, taught me….". So PLEASE don't tell me there is no nepotism in the military.

  7. SSgtJ says:

    First of all, last I heard, we are STILL waiting for Kerry to actually sign the forms to release all of his military records.

    Second, I am STILL waiting for someone, ANYONE, to show me one single LIE told by the so called Swift Boat Veterans.

    Did McCain get any extra breaks? Probably. Did Obama get any extra breaks for anything? Probably. So what?

    The most interesting point might be that General Clark did Senator Obama no favors by drawing attention to the fact that it is Obama with NO military credentials and NO executive experience.

  8. SoldiersDad says:

    "Military service is not a prerequisite to run for office in America."

    Attending Oxford with Clinton Pal Robert Reich doesn't necessarily qualify one to be an Officer in the US Army either….but having friends in high places could certainly doesn't hurt ones career.

    Billy Boy, Robert Reich, Wesley Clark…all certified Oxford University Koolaid Drinkers.

  9. Steve says:

    Say what you will about Clinton and Obama, at least they are both self made men. They got into Oxford on their own merit.

    Unlike George W. Bush who got into Yale as a legacy and McCain who got into the Naval Academy because his father was an admiral.

  10. Critical Facts says:

    Moreover, Steve, it is doubtful that W will ever be allowed on the Yale campus again.

  11. Pauly says:

    Your right Steve.
    At least you admit what many conservatives have been maintaining and libs denying for years.
    Colleges are indeed liberal bastions, intolerant to any opposing ideas.
    Your comment regarding W never again being 'allowed' on Yale campus almost sounds like your gloating as if thats a good thing.
    Another example of liberals definition of the 1st amendment in action.

  12. Pauly says:

    Correction.
    My previous post was obviously meant for CF.

  13. CJ says:

    Pauly, none of your comments were removed. Because this is your first time commenting, they were sent into moderation. This happens to everyone who posts for the first time. There's no irony involved, I can assure you.

  14. Isaac says:

    CF and Steve,
    Well, I suppose the two of you somehow enjoy getting whacked up by commies in a prison camp? McCain did what he did so MY country would be free. Why do you two keep missing that? (Hmm… is Morton here?)

  15. Apache 6 says:

    I am not picking sides but geesh, somehow whoever writes this BLOG has decided that getting shot 4 times by the NVA during a firefight and still leading his platoon is not courageous. Nice one.
    While I agree that Clark was little out of line, it is without dispute that those on the ground fighting have a totally different perspective on war then those who fly above it.
    Apache 6 out
    11B/0302

  16. CJ says:

    Apache 6,

    This may or may not support your assumption that I'm out of touch, but getting shot is NOT courageous. It's what you do AFTER you get shot that indicates courage. Anyone can get shot. I think those Soldiers that actually protected him and defeated the enemy were a bit more entitled to a Silver Star than he was at that point.

    China Spook out!

  17. Apache 6 says:

    CJ,
    Roger got it. Neither you nor I were there so we will never know. However, if he was the platoon commander/leader his job was to direct and lead his men against the enemy. In reading his citation it seems that is exactly what he did. Silver Stars are rarely handed out to leaders who cower in the face of the enemy. Again, I agree Clark was off base in what he said and how he said it. I do beleive however, that those on the ground pulling triggers in Vietnam learned very different lessons then Navy Fighter pilots did.

  18. CJ says:

    And on that point, we both agree!

  19. Danny Vice says:

    Wesley Clark trips all over himself every time he says anything.

    Last go around, Clark crowed endlessly about Kerry%u2019s service, and how horrible it was that anyone would doubt Kerry%u2019s integrity. He held Kerry up as a hero and ABSOLUTELY advertised his service as a reason why Kerry was fit to be commander in chief.

    Now he flip flops right on his face – as he usually does.

    Conservatives flip flop from time to time, but they don%u2019t throw any vet under the bus unless that vet is out there denigrating our troops – like Kerry did.

    They are two peas in a pod.

    Clark is a disgrace to the uniform and it%u2019s a tragedy our soldiers and vets had to listen to his blather.

    On the other hand,does military experience give you an advantage when dealing with military commanders – something the next President will have to do often? That's quite obviously a yes.

    Danny Vice
    theweeklyvice.com

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